Posts by Sugar Shane

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Warwick Protest 11-5-2017 - Who's all going?

by Acluetofindtheuser in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64xhcoowr6y.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhuvmvbjk-q.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bejhmfrzl0.

Sugar Shane

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AND MAKES JWs FEEL THEY ARE REALLY THE TRUTH!

No doubt it will. Just as there are diehard Scientologists are probably more convinced than ever, that theirs is the ONE true path. Yet, the heat is VERY much on their leadership. Japanese Emperor Hirohito was considered a GOD by many if his citizens during WW2. That was until he was forced to surrender, and make a radio address in August of '45, in which he announced the surrender of the Japanese Empire, AS WELL AS his admission that he was NO GOD.

PRIOR to his "NO GOD"/surrender announcement, there were mass suicides among Japanese civilians in Siapan and Okinawa. They were told that allies were devils (read apostates), and that they were engaged in a "Holy War." Isolation on these Pacific islands prevented them from hearing anything but the propaganda. His announcement changed that overnight. My uncle walked around in Tokyo the following month in his Navy crackerjack uniform, as part of the occupation. No attacks against him, no violence...in fact he said the population was somber, yet very polite. All because their GOD revealed himself to be a fake.

I don't know how it would play out with the JWs, but it seems that Geoffrey Jackson did, somewhat reluctantly, admit to NOT being God's earthly representative, during the ARC commision. Last spring, was the Watchtower magazine's admission that "we aren't necessarily inspired or infallible." Something to that effect.

Point being, that none of these admissions by the Gibbering Body would've surfaced, without external pressure from the courts and media coverage. My opinion, FWIW, is that yes, the diehard J-dubs will feel emboldened, as the heat is put on their dear leaders. But, eventually something's got to give...a GB member is gonna step down, or be forced out. Maybe someone they will splinter off and try to go 'mainstream,' as the Worldwide Church of God seemed to do. Better to do something (legal and non-violent), than to do nothing.

Btw--I say non-violent, but if I hear of a kid getting abused, by an elder, or other adult...that's different. "Don't fuck with us" 😊

https://youtu.be/FWIPd-qVG_M

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Warwick Protest 11-5-2017 - Who's all going?

by Acluetofindtheuser in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64xhcoowr6y.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhuvmvbjk-q.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bejhmfrzl0.

Sugar Shane

The vids could use some polish. The one with the drum-beats & Stealth Bomber in the background was pretty good. Just need some good, quick, simple 1 or 2 minute promo vids without too much chit-chat, esp if you want to attract a wider audience (would be cool if Leah Remini showed up).

If anyone knows "Fateful Slave," perhaps can send him this one. He could call it: "MISSION TO WARWICK"

https://youtu.be/At88Fcdgv0g

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Did you leave the JW RECENTLY? Really? Recently? WTF were you thinking?

by The Real Edward Gentry in

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not to be overly harsh...but if you just left, what the hell were you thinking?

between 1995 and now, you never did an internet search of "jehovahs-witness" or "watchtower"?

good god.

Sugar Shane

I've often wondered the same thing, but couldn't bring myself to put it so bluntly, to an ex-JW. As a few members of my extended family got involved with the JWs, in the early 90s, I never became drawn to it. For me, it came down to always having a skeptical mind, thanks in part to my dad & brother. They turned me on to books by Tom Wolfe, Kurt Vonnegut and George Orwell, while in my teens. In college, I ran across the book, "The Four Major Cults," by Hoekema. That led me down the path to discover the 1975 debacle, Russell's obsession with pyramids, and Rutherford's booze intake and his authoritarian style. This all spelled CULT to me, in huge neon, capital letters, before the internet even existed. Had I NOT had an upbringing which encouraged critical thinking & the questioning of authority (when appropriate), and had I NOT gone to college, would I have been more susceptible to joining a group such as the JWs? I dunno. But, I could see how a lack of such an upbringing could make one more vuberable, I suppose. That's especially so for the ones 'born-in' to the cult.

I wasted alot of breath in the 90s, trying to convince some in my family as to the history of their organization. All the flip-flops, the failed prophecies, the fall of Babylon date, and the encyopedia references which were taken completely out-of-context, and flat-out LIED about in their publications. I even pointed out contradictions in their OWN fucking MAGAZINES, and they still DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG!! It drove me nucking futs to say the least. To this day, I don't fully understand how a mind can go into 'lock down' mode like that. Steven Hassan's books have shed some light for me, but I guess I'll never fully understand what it's like, since I've never actually 'been there' myself. I try to understand, and my hat goes off to those who do manage to wake-up and find they've been duped. I don't know how I'd feel...probably a mix of sadness and anger, but eventually a sense of pride in finding my own way in life. It'd be a tough pill to swallow, for sure.

I think that many who never became JWs, and stayed 'on the outside, looking in,' probably have the same "WTF were you THINKING," response as Edward Gentry. Again, personal circumstances, upbringing & family involvement in the religion are key factors, IMO.

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Using personal car for their "service"...car is getting worn out

by Sugar Shane in

question: an individual (non-jw, let's say) loans a car to a jw family member, to drive for a year.

car is intended to be used for basic transportation needs.

the non-jw gets car back, only to find that it's basically been driven into the ground, racking up countless miles being used for d2d preaching, and shuttling other jws around.

Sugar Shane

Okay...multiple business trips...in and out of the states. Wear and tear not apparent cosmetically...though revealed during compression test, and oil analysis. Tires worn, but might have been caused by extensive weekend of drag-racing. Don't know. Again...just curious as to whether it's true that elders, or others with influence tend to "mooch" off those with wheels. That's really all I'm asking here.

This is really turning into a John Cleese skit from Monty Python. "I would like to buy some cheeeese.."

https://youtu.be/zB8pbUW5n1g

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Using personal car for their "service"...car is getting worn out

by Sugar Shane in

question: an individual (non-jw, let's say) loans a car to a jw family member, to drive for a year.

car is intended to be used for basic transportation needs.

the non-jw gets car back, only to find that it's basically been driven into the ground, racking up countless miles being used for d2d preaching, and shuttling other jws around.

Sugar Shane

Legal means is not being sought. Maybe a toe-to-toe, or a coming-of-age talk with the driver. It was an old car. And nobody is bitcing and moaning here. At least not me.

Besides, who the HELL formulates a legal contract to let their kid, or spouse, drive a family car?? I can easily understand such a contract if you're lending a car to a friend, or neighbor--either express or implied. But family....really?? Are you serious?? Maybe outside the US it's typical to do so.

Just forget the back-story for a momemt...I'm asking an entirely different question. That is whether the elders normally dictate preaching activity by car. That's really all I'm wanting to know. Young folks sometime shift the blame...just like Greg Brady dinging the old station wagon.

I'm not looking to bring a lawsuit against anyone, no are any other affected parties. But...some young person WILL get a 'talkin' to.' 😉

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Using personal car for their "service"...car is getting worn out

by Sugar Shane in

question: an individual (non-jw, let's say) loans a car to a jw family member, to drive for a year.

car is intended to be used for basic transportation needs.

the non-jw gets car back, only to find that it's basically been driven into the ground, racking up countless miles being used for d2d preaching, and shuttling other jws around.

Sugar Shane

Let's say...close family relationship: spouses and dependents. Car in one spouse's name, yet insurance covers multiple drivers. Would be similar to the kid drag-racing the family car while dad's out on business, except with elder numbnuts in the backseat yelling "go faster...yeeeah!"

Dad comes home from month abroad, to find bald tires and smoking exhaust. Hmm.

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September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?

by wifibandit in

i have it in spanish for now: .

1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.

please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.

Sugar Shane

I noticed the English language letter originated from the Australian branch. Was the same letter sent within the US?? With the same date? Just curious.

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Using personal car for their "service"...car is getting worn out

by Sugar Shane in

question: an individual (non-jw, let's say) loans a car to a jw family member, to drive for a year.

car is intended to be used for basic transportation needs.

the non-jw gets car back, only to find that it's basically been driven into the ground, racking up countless miles being used for d2d preaching, and shuttling other jws around.

Sugar Shane

Question: An individual (non-JW, let's say) loans a car to a JW family member, to drive for a year. Car is intended to be used for basic transportation needs. The non-JW gets car back, only to find that it's basically been driven into the ground, racking up countless miles being used for d2d preaching, and shuttling other JWs around. Besides the driver...or lendee, of the car, is there anyone else who should answer for this? Could it be that a JW, wanting to make a good impression & appear "spiritually strong," succumb to pressure from a zealous elder, to use their car d2d?

Again...I'm certain that I've read somewhere, in a leaked BOE letter, or maybe one of the many books, that the elders direct the preaching activities, in a pretty authoritarian manner. If anyone knows where to find such guidance, in print, please post, or PM me.

Thank you!

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September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?

by wifibandit in

i have it in spanish for now: .

1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.

please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.

Sugar Shane

It's a slight improvement over previous letters, but still falls short of, "if you suspect something...call the cops."

Wasn't there a letter last year, about CALLING THE POLICE immediately if vandalism is found to have occured at a Kingdom Hall? Would be interesting to read that one again. Anyone have a link to it?

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Kingdom Halls open to hurricane flood victims??

by Sugar Shane in

there are other threads dealing with jws actions, or non-actions in response to the houston flooding.

i started this thread to find out specifically if kingdom halls, or assembly halls are being used to help victims.

not just other jws, but innocent victims of all walks: men, women, children & pets.

Sugar Shane

Well, I just searched online for Kingdom Halls in the Houston area. It displayed no less than 12 locations in NORTH HOUSTON alone. Specifically, in the area north of Beltway 8, and south of the Woodlands area. That would likely be area of slightly higher elevation, and less rainfall accumulation.

I counted an additional 28 Halls in various other parts of the city, located south of the Beltway.

Note that the iphone maps feature counts all Jehovah's Witness structures, so presumably, some of these could actually be their larger assembly halls.

One should also not discount the many Halls in smaller cities and towns along interstates 45, and 10. Towns like Conroe, and Huntsville all have Kingdom Halls, according to the map...this areas would be well away from the worst flooding, and perfect for sheltering families/elderly, ect.

Bottom line is, they're blindly turning away from their own teaching to "imitate Jesus."

The worst is yet to come, folks. As with Katrina, we're about to witness a high body count. The numbers will add up as the waters recede, and the WT Society will have stood on the sidelines, doing absolutely NOTHING. Sad.